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by **fraybentos** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 2:57 pm

I dont even know what it means but I have been told to ask you Gary how you manage the LATENACY of this software? I have been speaking to a friend who uses another software and he says that his bet execution is alot quicker than mine. He has looked at my software and has said the respose times are very slow (I was offened). Dont get me wrong the software is brilliant and I make good money every month and I know you put alot of work into this software with no charge but I was wondering if there was anything I could do to increase the speed.Could it be my broadband connection?

by **GaryRussell** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:01 pm

Latency is the time it takes the request from BA to reach Betfair's server. There is no delay between you clicking your mouse and the request being sent to Betfair, after the request is sent the program has no control over that so I suppose the question is does your friend's software submit bets quicker when running on your PC? I am not a networking expert, but I do know there's nothing I can do to the program to decrease latency, it could be down to your ISP. Are you going through a proxy server or using a wireless connection, these could be factors. Just google Latency and you will see that is a subject that interests internet gamers for obvious reasons.

by **mantas779** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:35 pm

BA is as fast as it can be , always monitor also the free version from bat Angel, because it also uses the API.

And i can tell thet BA from gruss is fast as your connection is to the API.

I test this by putting in orders through betfair website , and the bet angel , and off course BA.
Bet angel is at 1 sec update so BA is always faster for the eye.

Indeed i am also a hard core gamer, so i spot "lag" or packet loss real quickly.

by **fraybentos** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:03 pm

Thanks for the replies.

My computer is brand new and it is a high spec one. My internet connection is obviously broadband but it does go through a router.Would that slow things down at all? My response speeds for in-running have been averaging at 1217ms. When you take off the in-running delay which is 1000ms it leaves it at about 217ms. Is this a slow speed?

Thanks again for the replies

Fraybentos :lol:

by **GaryRussell** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:13 pm

I'm getting around 172 ms at the moment through a wireless router. I have seen around 95 ms, but not faster. I will do a little research when I get some time (I don't have much spare time at the moment).

by **Uncle Ernie** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:23 pm

217ms seems slow - In running can lag though so best to check the response time on a market not in running Jst lay some low odds and see what the timing is , mine's around 100-120ms. Alot depends on your isp and how many routers it has to go through to hit betfairs london servers . Go to start -> run and type pathping www.betfair.com and press ok it'll show how many steps to get to betfair and back you have to take. Mines around 6 hops

by **tkp** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:53 pm

What time are we talking about here - the time it takes to place a bet into the market ?

by **Uncle Ernie** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 7:33 pm

Yep , it shows in the little black box above the matched/unmatched bets as response time when a bet has been placed.

by **fraybentos** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:55 pm

thx again guys for the replies!!! I will check out how many hops it takes for me, that sounds really interresting.
Look forward to your research Gary. You are a true legend!!!!!!!

by **fraybentos** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:09 pm

Uncle Ernie I tried that pingpath and I got a list of 10 I didnt understand what I was reading but a list came up with 10 numbers. It then said computing stats for 250 secs.
What is your ISP? How could I find the right server?

Thx Uncle Ernie

Fraybentos

by **tkp** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:20 pm

I got the same with pingpath too.

9 numbers and then the same message about 250 seconds...?????

by **MarkRussell** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:34 pm

Hi

I ran pathping and it took 10 hops to reach Betfair.
Obviously the more hops it has to make then the slower the response time is going to be.
If you want to read up on what pathping does go to the following webpage........ http://www.microsoft.com/resources/docu ... x?mfr=true

by **Uncle Ernie** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 10:13 pm

fraybentos, path ping just traces the route from your pc to betfairs servers and back. The numbers are just the routers that take your internet traffic along the way. Any that show as * * are servers where they've disabled any response to a 'ping' Betfair don't respond as pings can be used for denial of service attacks.

Mine shows as

Tracing route to www.betfair.com [212.62.21.228]

over a maximum of 30 hops:

0 steve [192.168.0.2]

1 192.168.0.1

2 lo99.he-1-lnsp.as9105.net [212.74.111.165]

3 ge2-0-8.he-lon0.as9105.net [212.74.107.213]

4 ge-5-1-0.lon22.ip.tiscali.net [213.200.77.177]

5 ge-1-2-0-bcr1.tsd.cw.net [166.63.211.153]

6 so-1-3-0-dcr2.tsd.cw.net [195.2.10.62]

7 * * *

Computing statistics for 175 seconds...

Source to Here This Node/Link

Hop RTT Lost/Sent = Pct Lost/Sent = Pct Address

0 steve [192.168.0.2]

0/ 100 = 0% |

1 0ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 192.168.0.1

0/ 100 = 0% |

2 11ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% lo99.he-1-lnsp.as9105.net [212.74.111.165]

0/ 100 = 0% |

3 9ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% ge2-0-8.he-lon0.as9105.net [212.74.107.213]

0/ 100 = 0% |

4 10ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% ge-5-1-0.lon22.ip.tiscali.net [213.200.77.177]

0/ 100 = 0% |

5 11ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% ge-1-2-0-bcr1.tsd.cw.net [166.63.211.153]

0/ 100 = 0% |

6 13ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% so-1-3-0-dcr2.tsd.cw.net [195.2.10.62]

100/ 100 =100% |

7 --- 100/ 100 =100% 0/ 100 = 0% steve [0.0.0.0]

Trace complete.

The first two on my list are my PC (0) going through my router (1) and the last one is betfair ( * * *)

The computing stats bit is where it does the same trace for 175 secounds to get an average of the speed between each stop. I'm on tiscali at the monment but they're crap and put me on the bad boy pipe at night so I couldn't recommend them. I think AOL route there servers via america so if you're with them I'd switch if the path ping shows you're being routed via america before hitting betfair.

If you need to see where one of your routers (hops) is located you can type the number into samspade.org i.e. 166.63.211.153 and it'll give you a good idea where the physical location of that router is.

by **fraybentos** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 10:25 pm

thanks for your time Uncle Ernie
Im not sure what to do about changing my ISP it would be interresting to see what other users get and what ISP they use.Also I wonder how much difference it would make if you had less hops to make.

Look forward to reading other peoples views and results.

Fraybentos

by **Uncle Ernie** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 10:36 pm

Basically the less hops the quicker you'll get there and back.

Also need to look at any packet loss which is the %'s at the end of the report. If the router isn't too good or there's heavy traffic down that line packets (the bet info) may need to be re-sent by the routr causing further delays. Once the info's been sent and in the system your speed is dictated by the speed of the routers your isp uses not the fact your on 8mb as opposed to 2mb, although if you're on a higher broadband you may be on a lower contention ratio with other users that can mean less people=less traffic on your line.

I'd like to see what stats anyone on sky is getting as I'm thinking of switching to sky at the moment.

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