Stewards Enquiry 5.30 Plumpton Sunday

[xraymitch]

For at least 10 minutes BF was showing the result as Weighed In - Can you be Weighed In and still have a Stewards Enquiry ongoing ? - Can someone please enlighten me ?

Many thanks,

Ray

[pugs]

Technically no. Or at least I wouldn’t have thought so.

I think the problem there is sometimes if a stewards is called late, or Betfair believe the stewards will not affect the result, they will settle the market. Then (as has happened before) they will resettle the market if any changes are made.

I believe this is to keep all the people who want the market settled as soon as possible happy.

[xraymitch]

Thanks pugs for your input.

As the SE was called immediately and some 20 or more minutes later the result was finally amended I think it is more a case of the Betfair site messing up as usual with the tardy results information they supply to it's customers.

The lesson I have learnt is that I cannot rely on BF quick results or full results for up to the minute and accurate information because on numerous occasions I have obtained the official results elswhere yet had to wait another 15 minutes before they were shown on BF.

But for the fact that BF was showing the race as Weighed In I would have sought confirmation, and yes I lost a few pounds - no big deal ! because of their misinformation.

Thanks again.

Ray

[pugs]

Yes, that sort of thing can be very frustrating.

Don’t quote me on this but I read that Betfair once displayed the wrong score on their web interface, when they used to display the current score at the top of the in-play football markets. Now they provide this information via “live scores” with quite a prominent warning......

Warning: Although the current score, time elapsed and other data provided on this site is sourced from a "live" feed provided by a third party, you should be aware that this data may be subject to a time delay and/or be inaccurate. If you rely on this data to place bets, you do so entirely at your own risk. Betfair provides this data AS IS with no warranty as to the accuracy, completeness or timeliness of such data and accepts no responsibility for any loss (direct or indirect) suffered by you as a result of your reliance on it.

So I would imagine that even Betfair themselves on occasion have been frustrated by misinformation. I know that won’t help you, but at least your post is a reminder to others that the information they provide may not always be accurate.

[xraymitch]

Appreciate your comments and it's got me thinking about the mechanics of the process.

How for example does BF know when a horse race has started or finished ?

Do they have a live feed at every racecourse relaying this information back to BF for someone there to make a judgement call as to when a race should end ?

I can recall being at Sandown races with my laptop and seeing the race I was watching live suspended on BF a good 10 seconds before the winner had crossed the line

Maybe I will give BF an email to see if they can enlighten me further ?

Cheers,

Ray

[Ian]

Betfair have on-course reps who tell them when the race is off, finished, non-runners, stewards enquiry etc.

[xraymitch]

Thanks Ian for putting me straight.

Ray

[pugs]

Once again Ray, and anyone else reading, all my knowledge is second hand, so please no one quote me, and please feel free to correct me if you know better, but......

....I believe that all UK races are currently turned in play and suspended using SIS and Turf TV. (They probably also use Sky for backup) Betfair also have representatives (as Ian confirmed above) at these meetings to help them manage photo finishes and stewards inquiry’s, to try and stop the “hoovering” .
Your experience at Sandown could well have been because Betfair had lost its “live feed(s)”, I have also witnessed that on several occasions.

As for other meeting around the world I cannot really comment, I know they usually reopen the in play market in Dubai for a photo, but not sure how that is managed.

The in play football was interesting, because about 18 months ago Betfair increased the bet placement time delay in Spanish football from 5 to 8 seconds. This was because of a time lag in satellite pictures from Spain, so that was imposed to stop Spanish terrestrial TV viewers from hovering. And now I believe most non UK matches have the increased delay.

It’s obviously in Betfair’s interest to manage markets as fairly and effectively as possible, but they do cover their backsides very well in the “small print”. There is no excuse for “tardiness” but given the scale of their challenge I think overall they do a pretty good job.

[Ian]

They suspended by the rep who is on the phone from the course not from SIS or Turf TV. In some circumstances Betfair, use one of the staff from AGT Ltd to act as their rep.

[pugs]

That’s interesting Ian, it makes you wonder why they are still unable to suspend the market at the “live” off. I can understand them waiting a few seconds with a tape start, but with a stalls start, well that beggars belief.