One click trading - free program coming soon

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Postby GaryRussell » Fri Sep 02, 2005 8:46 am

Originally posted by: dogsys
I was wondering about the API, are there any restrictions that betfair place on you as a developer using the API?

I mean LayIt could, if he wanted to expose all of the API methods in his program as a COM wrapper (or the equivalent for .NET, i'm still a VB6 man ), allowing us then to write our own betfair interfaces getting around the 200 quid charge?
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Postby GaryRussell » Fri Sep 02, 2005 9:51 am

Originally posted by: The Betfairy
You'd get much more performance accessing the API directly (one less layer of abstraction). You can subscribe to the API for £200 then cancel immediatelybut still maintain access - you just lose official support. Also, by going through a third party you're then tied to their implementation of the API - what happens when underlying calls change?
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Postby GaryRussell » Fri Sep 02, 2005 10:05 am

Originally posted by: villa-mad
Can somebody please explain the Weight of Money part of the programme in simple laymans terms please.
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Postby GaryRussell » Fri Sep 02, 2005 11:49 am

Originally posted by: MeanOldLiar
"underlying calls change" Answer: underlying calls don't change for an API i.e. the parameter numbers, their type declarations and function return declarations are not subject to change.
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Postby GaryRussell » Fri Sep 02, 2005 11:51 am

Originally posted by: MeanOldLiar
"You can subscribe to the API for £200 then cancel immediatelybut still maintain access"

Who has done this?
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Postby GaryRussell » Fri Sep 02, 2005 12:40 pm

Originally posted by: The Betfairy
Interfaces are immutable, APIs are not necessarily, so the Betfair API calls may change.

To quote from bdp.betfair.com:

If I stop paying the subscription fee, will the applications I have built stop operating?
No, your applications will not stop working. However, benefits of a continued subscription include timely notifications for API code updates from the BDP team, as well as Developer forum membership. Thus if you are no longer a subscriber, you run the risk of missing timely information which could impact your applications. What we will do is send notification to our ‘deactivated’ Software Vendor accounts informing them of upcoming changes, which will allow those interested to re-activate to the API to enable any necessary changes and testing, to avoid interruptions of service to their application users.
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Postby GaryRussell » Fri Sep 02, 2005 2:32 pm

Originally posted by: MeanOldLiar
The Betfairy, the API IS an interface. Application Programming INTERFACE.
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Postby GaryRussell » Fri Sep 02, 2005 2:56 pm

Originally posted by: TamsLoup
If you develop a program on the API, it costs you £200 per month while you develop it. But to continue using it, you still have to pay £200 per month.

Not cheap.
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Postby GaryRussell » Fri Sep 02, 2005 2:59 pm

Originally posted by: MeanOldLiar
I think so TamsLoup. Just been looking at the license agreement PDF and there's little doubt that if you terminate the agreement then your UserID is disabled and all copies of content that you have acquired must be destroyed and it must be certified in writing that you have done so (amongst other possible consequences).
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Postby GaryRussell » Fri Sep 02, 2005 3:01 pm

Originally posted by: The Betfairy
Incorrect. As per the quote above:

If I stop paying the subscription fee, will the applications I have built stop operating?
No.

As for the API issue, it is considered good etiquette not to change API calls once published, and any good software vendor will always make new API versions backwards compatible. Let's hope the Betfair API team has good etiquette.
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Postby GaryRussell » Fri Sep 02, 2005 3:03 pm

Originally posted by: MeanOldLiar
I dare say at that price they better!!
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Postby GaryRussell » Fri Sep 02, 2005 3:03 pm

Originally posted by: TamsLoup
<i>If I stop paying the subscription fee, will the applications I have built stop operating?
No.</i>

You just won't be allowed to use them.
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Postby GaryRussell » Fri Sep 02, 2005 3:11 pm

Originally posted by: MeanOldLiar
villa-mad 02 Sep 09:05


Can somebody please explain the Weight of Money part of the programme in simple laymans terms please.

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While we're at it: the ratio of the available stakes added together for the lay side against those for the backing side. It's supposed to possibly indicate a direction that the odds will take: shorter or longer.
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Postby GaryRussell » Fri Sep 02, 2005 3:15 pm

Originally posted by: MeanOldLiar
"You just won't be allowed to use them."

The mechanism appears to be through disabling the UserID assigned when the license is originally granted.
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Postby GaryRussell » Fri Sep 02, 2005 3:17 pm

Originally posted by: The Betfairy
I believe that UserID refers to Support - ie telephone, forums, etc. Applications continue to operate as normally.
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