BACK and LAY specific STAKES "In Play"

[Herbie1809]

Morning everyone,


Hope you all had a profitable day yesterday. I did, but it could have been a lot better. And here's why....

I place BACK and LAY bets in play to different stakes. To do this, I have 2 separate spreadsheets for each meeting: 1 for Backing horses, another for Laying the same selections at shorter prices.

The problem is this, there is a delay between the Back bet being triggered and the Lay bet being triggered.


Is it possible to fire both bets from the same trigger when I can specifiy the precise stakes I want to use?

For instance, can I place a BACK bet at odds >4, stake 10, and Lay >3, stake 5, in a single trigger?

BTW I'm using BA Version 1.1.0.62


Thx

[doris_day]

Morning everyone,


Hope you all had a profitable day yesterday. I did, but it could have been a lot better. And here's why....

I place BACK and LAY bets in play to different stakes. To do this, I have 2 separate spreadsheets for each meeting: 1 for Backing horses, another for Laying the same selections at shorter prices.

The problem is this, there is a delay between the Back bet being triggered and the Lay bet being triggered.


Is it possible to fire both bets from the same trigger when I can specifiy the precise stakes I want to use?

For instance, can I place a BACK bet at odds >4, stake 10, and Lay >3, stake 5, in a single trigger?

BTW I'm using BA Version 1.1.0.62


Thx

I can only assume there must be other criterion involved here otherwise you'll be backing and laying the same horses at the same time if the only criterion are those above.

[doris_day]

Or should your 'Lay >3' really be 'Lay <3' ?

[Herbie1809]

Sorry Doris,


Yes that is what I meant.

[Lewis]

This is something I have been meaning to have a go at for a while. From what I read you wish to submit back and law at the same time. I will wait for Gary to reply to this but as far as I am unaware this is not possible through gruss [possibly API but he can tell you].

On option would be to create a clear trigger with an extremely low refresh rate. Once the back is placed run a timer with =Time - [Betref Time]. then have an if statement in the trigger that says when the timer is greater than x [not sure how low you can make this] trigger =lay. This would also need to be implemented in the stake and odds column. And would need some form of CLEAR inbetween so consider locating the "BACK" and 'LAY' in another cell and referring to them in the trigger.

I will try and mock up an example over the next few days however hopefully you get the idea or I may have confused you more.

[Lewis]

EDIT above - this would not be simultaneous however it would have a very quick execution time, fine for me pre-race. Not sure how quick you would need IP

[Herbie1809]

Hi Lewis,

Thx for the reply.

I think you've had the very same idea as me. I can do it as separate triggers with a reference from the BACK trigger, but I was hoping to execute it as a single trigger.

[Yorkie]

Hi

When you say there is a delay between the back bet being triggered and the lay bet being triggered how big a delay are we talking?

And what causes the delay as far as you can see?

[GaryRussell]

There isn't currently an actual trigger available to place simultaneous back and lay bets on the same selection. It is technically possible with the API (you can see this if you back one selection and lay another at the same time, they are placed simultaneously).

[Herbie1809]

Hi Yorkie,


The delay between the bets being fired is just down to the spreadsheet (or my ancient laptop!).

The way I have things set up at the moment, the BACK bet is triggered and the Bet Reference is added to cell T5. Once this reference is placed, I use it to trigger the LAY bet.

I'm still tinkering with it at the moment so I can't give a clear opinion on how well its going to work. I asked the original question because it would be simpler and more efficient to activate this with a single trigger.

Have to say tho, BA is brilliant!

[doris_day]

Perhaps I've got the wrong end of the stick here but I would have thought you could use either of the following methods, depending on how you're structuring your triggers and when exactly they need to be fired.

1. Simply have 2 tabs with the same markets and push the data into 2 Excel sheets, one for backs and one for lays (although, using the IF function you can usually place either/or in the same sheet depending on your trigger)

2. Place the opposite trade using a fixed-price offset once the first back or lay is matched.

I'm not certain why both bets have to be placed at exactly the same time. I can understand the requirement for an offset to be placed immediately after being matched but thats not the same thing as both trades being 'placed' at the same time, rather than 1 a couple of milliseconds after the other, which is what you'd get by using tabs.

Perhaps you can outline why this is so necessary. I'm quite happy to be proved dim if I've missed something obvious here.

[Ian]

You could also put the same market page twice into the same worksheet then they would update simultaniously.